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		<title>By: Jean Tabaka</title>
		<link>http://www.rallydev.com/agileblog/2010/05/im-not-a-wildebeest-setting-the-right-goals-matters/#comment-6414</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Tabaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,

I am currently reading Dan Pink&#039;s book &quot;Drive&quot;. I think it fits in very nicely with this whole notion of the value of goals being based on capabilities. Estimates inflicted on us or enforced by an outside entity probably equates to what Pink would call an &quot;extrinsic motivation&quot;. They become &quot;sticks&quot; that create a dynamic of working to avoid consequences and hopefully instead get a carrot/reward. People WILL perform to this. HOWEVER, people perform far better when seeking reward in &quot;intrinsic motivation&quot;. As we support capability goals toward a common vision, everyone wins: the individual, the organization, and the corporation.

Jean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>I am currently reading Dan Pink&#8217;s book &#8220;Drive&#8221;. I think it fits in very nicely with this whole notion of the value of goals being based on capabilities. Estimates inflicted on us or enforced by an outside entity probably equates to what Pink would call an &#8220;extrinsic motivation&#8221;. They become &#8220;sticks&#8221; that create a dynamic of working to avoid consequences and hopefully instead get a carrot/reward. People WILL perform to this. HOWEVER, people perform far better when seeking reward in &#8220;intrinsic motivation&#8221;. As we support capability goals toward a common vision, everyone wins: the individual, the organization, and the corporation.</p>
<p>Jean</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Kaufman</title>
		<link>http://www.rallydev.com/agileblog/2010/05/im-not-a-wildebeest-setting-the-right-goals-matters/#comment-6151</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely put Jean.  We have to fight pretty hard to delay estimates in my organization (transitioned from waterfall about two years ago), but once you get this idea engrained everybody is happier -- because estimates enter the ballpark of reality at least.  From there is up to us PO&#039;s to keep the scope there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put Jean.  We have to fight pretty hard to delay estimates in my organization (transitioned from waterfall about two years ago), but once you get this idea engrained everybody is happier &#8212; because estimates enter the ballpark of reality at least.  From there is up to us PO&#8217;s to keep the scope there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Tabaka</title>
		<link>http://www.rallydev.com/agileblog/2010/05/im-not-a-wildebeest-setting-the-right-goals-matters/#comment-6099</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Tabaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 22:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, thank you for your comment. And I love your blog post! I like the clarity you give to the Purpose--&gt;Measures--&gt;Methods Seddon approach implemented at Vanguard. Your specific example measures for software projects are particularly wonderful. Thank you so much for sharing. It&#039;s great to get your perspective and deep insights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thank you for your comment. And I love your blog post! I like the clarity you give to the Purpose&#8211;&gt;Measures&#8211;&gt;Methods Seddon approach implemented at Vanguard. Your specific example measures for software projects are particularly wonderful. Thank you so much for sharing. It&#8217;s great to get your perspective and deep insights.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Tabaka</title>
		<link>http://www.rallydev.com/agileblog/2010/05/im-not-a-wildebeest-setting-the-right-goals-matters/#comment-6098</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Tabaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 22:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nader, thank you for your comment. I think we are on the same track in two ways. First, capability measures should be non-arbitrary; they should be informative and invite an inspect-and-adapt approach to the methods we are using for improvement on those measures. Secondly, a team should be consulted about which measures will best serve the team and which measures they can/should provide that best serve the organization. Measures should not be dictated (as in my example where the organization dictates what each teams&#039; story point commitments should be every iteration.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nader, thank you for your comment. I think we are on the same track in two ways. First, capability measures should be non-arbitrary; they should be informative and invite an inspect-and-adapt approach to the methods we are using for improvement on those measures. Secondly, a team should be consulted about which measures will best serve the team and which measures they can/should provide that best serve the organization. Measures should not be dictated (as in my example where the organization dictates what each teams&#8217; story point commitments should be every iteration.)</p>
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		<title>By: David Joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 06:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. I think we are on the same lines, although I have a slightly different take on how this method from Seddon can be applied in software. See link
http://leanandkanban.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/creating-useful-measures/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I think we are on the same lines, although I have a slightly different take on how this method from Seddon can be applied in software. See link<br />
<a href="http://leanandkanban.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/creating-useful-measures/" rel="nofollow">http://leanandkanban.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/creating-useful-measures/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nader Talai</title>
		<link>http://www.rallydev.com/agileblog/2010/05/im-not-a-wildebeest-setting-the-right-goals-matters/#comment-6042</link>
		<dc:creator>Nader Talai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 11:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with capability goals.

I feel that measures that are internal to team must be kept that way as they are for learning/diagnosis and transient once they&#039;ve served their purpose we don&#039;t need to gather them. 

Velocity of story points delivered per iteration (sprint) is an internal measure for team to reflect on and improve the process or diagnose what went wrong if in a given iteration (sprint) there was unexpected variation (Signal) i.e. we were outside the upper/lower bounds provided we have evidence that this is not just a one off.  

I think a good capability measure for teams is the cycle time for converting an idea to working software in live production with the idea (projects) categorised in small, medium and large and then have the variation as the capability of te team i.e. lower and upper bounds and the mean shown on a capability chart as opposed to one figure or tabulated data.  I&#039;ll have a separate capability chart for each size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with capability goals.</p>
<p>I feel that measures that are internal to team must be kept that way as they are for learning/diagnosis and transient once they&#8217;ve served their purpose we don&#8217;t need to gather them. </p>
<p>Velocity of story points delivered per iteration (sprint) is an internal measure for team to reflect on and improve the process or diagnose what went wrong if in a given iteration (sprint) there was unexpected variation (Signal) i.e. we were outside the upper/lower bounds provided we have evidence that this is not just a one off.  </p>
<p>I think a good capability measure for teams is the cycle time for converting an idea to working software in live production with the idea (projects) categorised in small, medium and large and then have the variation as the capability of te team i.e. lower and upper bounds and the mean shown on a capability chart as opposed to one figure or tabulated data.  I&#8217;ll have a separate capability chart for each size.</p>
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